Get the American Rifleman Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. bullets, and the first range session served to sight-in the rifle and see its reaction to propellant charge weights slightly below the listed maximums. target bullets with a much longer ogive than the Nosler Custom Competition used in Nosler’s testing. Mag. load with Norma 217, muzzle velocity wasn’t exceptionally high. The .28-cal., 175-gr. The 30 Nosler blows past the highly regarded 300 Winchester Magnum—eclipsing the round in all three testing categories. At the other end, any action with a somewhat longer magazine, such as a Remington Model 700, provides leeway for “chasing the lands” as the chamber throat erodes—if you’re the kind of shooter who wants to torch off a .28 Nosler often enough to significantly lengthen the throat. Of course, as soon as Nosler announced the .28 many asked, “Why bother?” since the list of 7 mm big-game rounds compares to the Fortune 500. Nosler sent its, None of the loads showed the slightest hint of excessive pressure, and a second range session with maximum listed powder charges indicated this rifle might have a little tighter barrel than the one used in Nosler’s tests, as velocities ran a little higher. Though I think I saw some 30 Nosler ammo for about the same price as the brass = fireformed brass when you do start reloading. Nosler sent its Patriot model to me for testing in the spring of 2015. It might even out-sell the .26, because American hunters have always been more inclined toward 7 mm than 6.5 mm cartridges. I'm trying to decide between 280AI or 28 Nosler. HUGE differences. A close cousin of the 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler is a larger, more powerful round. In my experience derived from shooting a bunch of rifles, sometimes on indoor ranges where wind isn’t a factor, five-shot groups average about 1.5 times as large as three-shot groups, give or take. Having bought a 28 nosler a few months ago along with a 6.5 prc, I was reading the new hodgdon manual and read about the 27 nosler. One customer who contacted Nosler even said his still shot well after 1,600. There also happened to be a 3-10X 40 mm Nightforce SHV riflescope in the safe, ready for testing, but the only 30-mm rings in my rather large collection that combined well with the short-tubed SHV were Weaver Tip-Offs. from the muzzle of a 26" test barrel. Magnum action vs. standard action. vs. .28 Nosler vs. 7mm RUM. It might seem odd for the 175-gr. This may surprise some shooters but didn’t surprise me, as 6.5 mm 140-gr. And the dimensions of the Nosler case also allow any 7 mm Rem. And because the 30 Nosler has a belt-less case, it’s more accurate and makes for easier reloading. Unfortunately, it couldn’t be seated anywhere near the lands and still fit in the magazine—a situation I’ve encountered before with that bullet—and the one group I fired with it measured more than 4". When shot from an 8 lb rifle, the 28 Nosler creates 33 foot-pounds of recoil. The 30 Nosler shoulder is .051" farther back than the 28 Nosler, so the 28 actually has more capacity than the 30. The Contestants. None of these advantages by themselves are new, in fact Remington made similar claims when introducing the 7 mm Rem. With the best magnum performance in a standard action, the 30 Nosler was introduced as a more evolved cartridge option. Factory loads, which became available after the author conducted his testing, push the 175-gr. All the propellants that Nosler’s data indicated should shoot most accurately were also on hand except for Alliant RL-33, since all but a few spoonfuls of my supply had been shot up testing the .26 Nosler. All I hunt is elk so I prefer the 30 just for the larger bullets. Although some projectiles intrude well into the .28 Nosler’s case, its capacity, 97.7 grs. ADG = 101 gr. Like many shooting enthusiasts, the Nosler family has always dreamed of introducing a new rifle cartridge to the industry and in 2014, that finally happened with the arrival of the 26 Nosler®. In fact, the muzzle velocity with 160-gr. Unfortunately, continuing high demand for .26 Noslers (and other Nosler products and projects) slowed the availability of the .28 Nosler. Sharing the same parent case as the 26 and 28 Nosler cartridges, the 30 Nosler takes all the best attributes of currently available 30 magnums and combines them all in one cartridge. Compare these rounds in the charts below. Like the .26, the .28 Nosler also fits in a .30-’06 Sprg.-length magazine, providing a couple of advantages. Monday, January 25, 2016. The comparitively low price of the Patriot does not mean it’s an inferior rifle, since it uses the same Model 48 action and Pac-Nor barrel as other Nosler rifles, but unfortunately no factory ammunition was yet available, much less .28 Nosler cases or loading data. handloads at around 3300 f.p.s. At 400 yards, the 6.5 Creedmoor has 18.8 inches of drop and still packs 1,478 foot pounds of energy. with the Nightforce, also dampening recoil. Mag. The rifle weighed 9 lbs., 4 ozs. Explore this site to compare these rounds and many others. I didn’t test the Patriot at ranges beyond 100 yds., because in July at a joint writer tour hosted by Nosler and Leupold, I spent a large part of one day at a very long shooting range in central Oregon. The 280AI is going to run around 68gr of water. Our belt-less case makes it easier to resize when reloading and improves accuracy potential by headspacing off the shoulder. @tom reported 3100 fps with 93 grains of rl33 and a 225 eldm in a 26" barrel. Minuteman. The 30 Nosler also headspaces off the shoulder, improving alignment with the bore. The Contestants. Latest. None of these advantages by themselves are new, in fact, Unfortunately, continuing high demand for .26 Noslers (and other Nosler products and projects) slowed the availability of the .28 Nosler. But with a firm grip and a PAST recoil pad strapped to my shoulder the .28’s comeback wasn’t uncomfortable, even when leaning into the rifle behind a benchrest. Introducing the new 30 Nosler cartridge by popular demand. AccuBond® Long Range bullet at 3,000 fps with over 4,000 ft.-lbs. It also recoils more than the .26 Nosler, something I definitely noticed during the second range session when I sighted-in a new scope on my .26, also a Patriot, using 140-gr. Over the last hundred years, the 30 caliber category has gotten crowded. To my mind, the Nosler offerings didn't add anything new or different in terms of ballistics to the already saturated 28, 30 & 33 calibers. Since the case mouths of Nosler brass come already chamfered, no prepping was done except to run each neck over the expander ball in the sizing die. No RL-33 could be found locally, but the other propellants did very well. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America. to be rechambered. The 26 Nosler vs .270 Winchester vs 7mm Updated Posted on January 7, 2015 by Ed Hale There are those that are proponents of the 6.5mm Cartridges over the .270 WInchester. Nosler M48 rifles are only built to order; see the Nosler website (www.nosler.com) for details. It also recoils more than the .26 Nosler, something I definitely noticed during the second range session when I sighted-in a new scope on my .26, also a, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program. Accuracy had also been a little better with slightly lighter loads, so the third range session used propellant charges approximately matching Nosler’s listed maximum velocities. Bolt Action Rifles. Nosler ABLR bullet is 1.541" long. May 29, 2017. #1. 28 nosler vs 300 prc. Sharing the same parent case as the 26 and 28 Nosler cartridges, the 30 Nosler takes all the best attributes of currently available 30 magnums and combines them all in one cartridge. 28 nosler and 280AI are two completely different animals. Most big-game animals don’t require half-inch groups at 100 yds., any more than a three-quarter-ton pickup with eight-ply off-road tires is required to haul a whitetail buck. of water, is more than generous enough to allow the handloader to safely reach respectable velocities. Just starting to get some feedback. Given most .30 Nosler loads with decent bullets already end up in the H1000 or Retumbo burn rates, making the case bigger doesn't really appeal to me. If you don’t reload I would honestly go with a 300win mag and buy the Berger 215 factory … 28 Nosler is a shortened version of the 7mm Winchester Ultra Mag. with the 175, but in this rifle lower velocity definitely resulted in finer accuracy.). The 30 Nosler outperforms the 300 Weatherby in every category, including trajectory, velocity and energy. The .28 Nosler is offered in the M48 Custom Long Range (2015 MSRP $5830), Patriot (2015 MSRP $2895) and Heritage (2015 MSRP $1895) bolt action repeating rifles. Firing a 210 gr. Aside from 175-gr. Here I should comment on the difference between the three-shot groups most hunters shoot today, and the five-shot groups required by the American Rifleman testing protocol. The author analyzed six .30 caliber magnum cartridges (.300 H&H Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby, .300 Remington Ultra Mag., .30 Nosler, and .30-378 Weatherby) for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Either way, Nosler’s parent case seems bound to sire an entire family of useful new cartridges. The obvious question after the .26 Nosler appeared in 2013 was: “What will the company neck it to next?” The best guesses were a 7 mm or a .30-cal., and the former turned out to be right. At 100 rounds my 28s throat moved .017" and the 30 has moved zero. Such skepticism is apparently a normal reaction in the Internet age, when shooters all over the world can anonymously demonstrate their affected sophistication. All four of Nosler's Cartridges, the 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler, 30 Nosler, and 33 Nosler, are based on … However, long-range hunters aren’t all that concerned about flat trajectory, since they’ll usually be twisting the elevation turret at longer ranges, and at 500 yds.the 175 starts to drift less. FWIW you can now get 28 Nosler brass from a handful of websites at about $2.75-3 a piece but 30 Nosler seems to be out of stock. None of the loads showed the slightest hint of excessive pressure, and a second range session with maximum listed powder charges indicated this rifle might have a little tighter barrel than the one used in Nosler’s tests, as velocities ran a little higher. The .26 Nosler is pushing the same bullet out of my custom rifle on a Remington 700 action with a 26” Lilga barrel at 3,650 feet per second. Nosler’s accuracy guarantees are for three-shot groups at 100 yds, and they’ll average about two-thirds the size as the five-shot averages listed in the range test data. magnum such as the .300 WSM. Minuteman. It actually produces twice the recoil as the smaller 6.5 Creedmoor (see comparison below). To my mind, the Nosler offerings didn't add anything new or different in terms of ballistics to the already saturated 28, 30 & 33 calibers. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM—a shoot-off to find the best. Nosler = 95 gr. Mag. 28 nosler vs 300 prc. Hunting in Colorado at 8-9kft my 28 has 2100fps and 2000ft/lbs at 1000yards. Aside from the rifle and bullets, part of the accuracy was no doubt due to case uniformity. Since then, the 26 Nosler® has achieved such renowned success that adding another member to the cartridge family became an obvious decision. But many of us insist on both the accuracy and the pickup. Properly stress-relieved, sporter-weight barrels (not all are) will keep punching them in there, even when too hot to touch. Mag. Several of us got to shoot .28s with ABLR bullets out to 1,000-plus yds., and were very impressed, both in how it minimized wind drift and how hard it whacked steel way out there. And this is exactly what happened in this rifle, and in fact the dozen or so three-shot groups I fired all measured under an inch, sometimes approaching the magic half-inch. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and … The Nosler Patriot features the company’s proprietary Model 48 action, a Pac-Nor barrel and a pillar-bedded, aramid-fiber stock. I believe the 26 is being produced by Nosler and a few other companies, I don’t think the 28 is yet. When filled to the brim, the .28 Nosler case holds 100.7 grains of water versus 99.6 grains for 7mm STW cases made by Remington and 100.2 grains for those from Federal. The 30 Nosler shoulder is.051" farther back than the 28 Nosler, so the 28 actually has more capacity than the 30. D. Drtfarmer Private. Here are some measurements and comments about the 300 Win vs the 30 Nos. The old 7mm Rem. Nosler’s load data included 150-, 160-, 168- and 175-gr. There’s nothing as discouraging as a new hunting rifle in the safe with no ammunition to shoot. Magnum action vs. standard action. The 30 Nosler shares the same overall cartridge length (3.340") as the 26 Nosler and the 28 Nosler which allows it to be chambered in standard-length action firearms. Just as the 7mm STW is a necked-up version of the 6.5 STW, so it goes with the .28 Nosler and the .26 Nosler. AccuBond Long Range bullets. Despite predictions from such sophisticates, enough hunters bought .26s to cause a year-long shortage in Nosler 6.5 mm bullets. Jan 2, 2020 #1 About to purchase a new hunting rifle, and I am looking for pros/cons between the two calibers. Bertram = 100 gr. By Ron Spomer. Dec 7, 2019 12 1. FWIW you can now get 28 Nosler brass from a handful of websites at about $2.75-3 a piece but 30 Nosler seems to be out of stock. This model’s standard-length action accommodates the company’s new .28 Nosler cartridge’s 3.340" overall length (l.). The PRC has 1950fps and 1200ft/lbs at 1000yds. ), Traditionalists who don’t shoot much beyond 400 yds., however, might prefer the 160 Partition, a well-proven bullet on big game from Alaska to Africa. I took rough measurements of both the 300 Win Mag and the 30 Nosler with the very popular 215 Berger hybrid. Both cases were new unfired. Just as the 7mm STW is a necked-up version of the 6.5 STW, so it goes with the .28 Nosler and the .26 Nosler. to be rechambered. I'm looking to shoot 800yds maybe push it to 900yds. What they did bring is credible support. In 2016 the .30 Nosler was announced, and the latest cartridge to join the Nosler line is the .33 Nosler. Mag. Now I will be the odd man out that has never seen a huge difference in case design as far as performance. for the 150-gr., 37.1 for the 160 and 30.6 for the 175, numbers confirmed by my shoulder. Given the same 150-grain AccuBond bullet only drops 28-inches at 500 yards, it’s safe to say they might have done so with an extraordinary flat-shooting option. Norma = 95 gr. I did some bench comparisons of the two. Bolt lift remained easy, but the velocity indicated pressure might be a little over 65,000 p.s.i., the SAAMI limit for the .28. The powders that would take advantage of the capacity are 50BMG powders that aren't very good. I have both, the 30 is going to have much better barrel life. Since Nosler factory ammunition wasn’t then available, handloads would have to do. What they did bring is credible support. But Nightforce scopes have proven so tough and reliable that an exception was made, and the scope worked perfectly throughout my testing. And the dimensions of the Nosler case also allow any 7 mm Rem. Various statisticians have predicted how much larger five-shot groups will average over three-shot groups, but their answers have varied. The 28 Nosler is running over 100gr of water. Out to 400 yds. The 30 Nosler is a SAAMI-standardized cartridge, and Nosler will be supporting this new cartridge with Nosler brass, Trophy Grade ammunition and the full line of M48 rifles. I know it is an updated 270, but 7mm bullets are much better BC and can shoot up to 195 gr with the 28 vs … Federal Premium Sets Record Straight On Ammunition Shortage, Review: T/C Performance Center Long Range Rifle, Gemtech Integra 15-22 Suppressed Upper Receiver, © 2020 National Rifle Association of America. 30 caliber. In fact, the muzzle velocity with 160-gr. 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